Friday, 17 November 2023

CAN REFORM UK CUT THE MUSTARD?

 

Richard Tice of Reform UK boasts that different pollsters show  growth in voter perception and support

The Dame wants to know what her readers think of its claim to be able to change the political landscape.

Only intelligent and perceptive comments please. 

Rough and rude comments are boring

22 comments:

  1. Reform UK is just a continuation of the Brexit Party, offering division, empty promises and easy so-called "solutions" to complex problems. They are unlikely to win a single seat, as past experience of new parties has shown time and again. But if they poll anything like 10% at the next general election it's going to be devastating for the Tories as most of Reform UK's votes will come from people who voted Conservative in 2019. A split on the right like that could cost the Tories dozens of seats which will be won by Labour or the Liberal-Democrats. As the saying goes, "First Past the Post is a hell of a drug." They also are likely to force the Conservatives to tack even further to the right (if such a thing is even possible these days). The reality is that there is little to distinguish policies of the Conservative Party of 2023 from the policies of Reform UK.

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    1. The Tories as they are are social democrat...far from being right wing

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    2. A saying? I have never before heard anyone say, “First Past the Post is a hell of a drug."

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    3. Apologies 15.50, "First Past the Post is a hell of a drug" is something that is said amongst people who follow elections internationally. The phrase is used especially in the face of the bottom falling out of a governing party's support (which is what appears to be happening in the UK). The UK, Canada and the United States are the largest countries that use first past the post. Many countries use proportional systems where a party tends to be left with a larger group of MPs, even after a bad election. In first past the post, when the bottom falls out for a party it can mean a wipeout or near wipeout (for example as happened to Labour in Scotland in 2015).

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    4. Saying something to be ‘like a drug’ (E.g. ‘love is a drug’) usually implies it’s addictive. These so called ‘people who follow elections internationally’ are mistaken if they believe FPTP voting is addictive.

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  2. You talk to people at the top of Reform UK and they are out to destroy the Tory Party. Your claim the TP is right wing can only come from a barmy LP supporter. The TP is social democratic...a high tax...high state mess

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    1. The Tories do not even know who they are themselves! Think about the next Tory manifesto that will need to be stitched together by Sunak (and chums), remembering the policy platform will have to be tolerated by the broad swathe of his party. So what do we get starting with Sunak’s personal obsessions (ban smoking, scale back HS2, replace A-levels and push back climate targets)? Yes, it’s just random things that must have occurred to people at different junctures, and they don’t speak to any real coherent narrative.

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    2. 10.55 here. I'm not a Labour supporter. Far from it... But if Reform UK wants to destroy the Tories then more power to them, and the UK's electoral system means that they have every chance of success in that aim if they can get their support even into low double figures. They are likely to still emerge from the next general election without a single MP which is the reality of first past the post and parties whose support is spread inefficiently. Look how long it took the Greens to finally get just a single MP in 2010.

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    3. My guess is the Tories will only start to grapple with who they are after being beaten in GE. Braverman wants to lead them in one direction. James Cleverly as Home Secretary (after Foreign Secretary) will be in a strong position to throw his hat in the ring. But the bookies’ favourite to succeed Sunak is Kemi Badenoch.

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    4. Kemi B will try to work with Reform UK. Reform UK needs far better quality candidates. If Farage returns to lead it that may well happen. MPs about to lose their seats have nothing to lose

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    5. The confused briefing over Inheritance Tax again underlines how No.10 are currently incapable of settling on an agreed political strategy, and sticking to it.

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    6. The extreme weather is the 'biggest threat' to UK heritage.

      The National Trust say climate change is "the single biggest threat" facing its 28,500 historic homes, 250,000 hectares of land and 780 miles of coastline https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67432755 The Reform Party are therefore anti-patriots as they put opposition to tackling climate change at the heart of their message.

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    7. The Reform Party and ‘hellish’ 3C of climate heating
      https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/climate-track-warm-by-nearly-3c-without-greater-ambition-un-report-2023-11-20/

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  3. 16.31 Too right! Being Conservative used to be as Margaret Thatcher put it: "The first duty of Government is to uphold the law. If it tries to bob and weave and duck around that duty when it's inconvenient then so will the governed, and then nothing is safe—not home, not liberty, not life itself." Now, Conservative is more like: “Ignore the law."

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    1. Yes, but when she wrote this the Supreme Court did not exist. This lot are third rate lefties. She would agree with few of this lots judgements

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    2. That’s extremely unlikely.

      I have observed two universal truths: 1) If a court makes a ruling that a person dislikes, then the court is corrupt, biased, out of touch, lazy and incompetent. 2) If the court makes a ruling that a person likes, then the court is wise, fair, impartial, compassionate and just.

      Margaret Thatcher’s words are crystal clear. You sound exactly like someone she describes who “tries to bob and weave and duck when it’s inconvenient.”

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  4. Don't forget the Rishi Sunak effect. @RedfieldWilton. Net Favourability of Selected World Leaders Among British Voters (15 November)

    Highest:

    ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Volodymyr Zelensky +32%
    ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Justin Trudeau +14%
    ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Giorgia Meloni +4%
    ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ Pedro Sรกnchez +4%

    Lowest:

    ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ Xi Jinping -15%
    ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Rishi Sunak -19%
    ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ Vladimir Putin -46%
    ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ต Kim Jong-Un -54%

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    1. Dr Death would “almost certainly” have known scientists were worried about his “eat out to help out” the virus scheme.

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    2. DC says ‘Rishi thinks just let people die and that’s okay.’ This all feels like a complete lack of leadership.”

      — October 25th, 2020

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  5. Much to my surprise , for once l agree with Mrs T. If Sunak tries to get round the Supreme Court veto l will feel justified in disobeying his unelected government . When it comes to upholding the law we cannot pick & choose

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    1. So you won't agree to go to Rwanda? Shame

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    2. So you think £140m (minimum estimate) wasted by the Conservative government so far on this failed gimmick is money well spent? Shame on you.

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