So, if you carry a machete or Zombie knife you could get up to 2 years in jail....unless you have an excuse for wandering around with either.
So what could the excuse be?
Leaving aside the fact it has taken this dimwitted and corrupt government 13 years to do anything about knife crime does it really think this a deterrent?
At Notting Hill Carnival it was clear that machete carriers had no fear of the consequences of carrying bladed weapons
The penalties should be 10 years for carrying either of these disgusting murder weapons or any other bladed weapon.
Knife crime is rampant in the Kensington constituency so Felicity Buchan needs to step up and justify these pathetic sentencing guidelines.
The penalties are an insult to law-abiding citizens and victims.
The Caribbean culture is intrinsically homophobic. Many of those attending carnival object to Gay Pride. At least at Gay Pride, no one carries blades, spits on police officers or sexually assaults the police.
ReplyDeleteWOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF GROWWLL!!
DeleteI repeat Caribbean culture is notably homophobic
Delete12:51 grow up dickhead. You know and I know that they are called batty boys and are the subject of hate
DeleteDoesn't sound like 08.51, 15.48 or 16.37 have ever bothered to attend Notting Hill Carnival. As usual it's just fakery, gross exaggerations and another nasty angle of attack by selfish prejudiced self-entitled people from Knightsbridge, Chelsea & Belgravia.
DeleteI made the comment at 08.51. I did not write the other comments.
DeleteNow for the facts.
I have attended the Notting Hill Carnival and been queer bashed. Lovely law abiding people! I had my jaw broken and my eardrum perforated by two Black men.
Peter Thatchell will confirm that in Jamaica if a gay man is murdered by the family the police decline to investigate the matter. The Home Office Immigration and Nationality Division will grant asylum seeker status to Black Jamaican gay men and lesbians under the "special characteristics" provisions in the regulations.
Two Black gay men went to a pharmacy in Jamaica.a Lynch mob followed them. The Pharmacist called the police. The police turned up and had a go at the gays and arrested them.
It is not racist to call out homophobia. 12.51 needs a lesson in equalities training. I hope they are not a member of the Kensington Labour Party. I hear that homophobia reared its ugly head there last year.
DeleteIt is very easy to say that anyone who objects to the Notting Hill Carnival and to celebrating a violent culture is racist - it is simply not true.
DeleteI am a Prison Officer working in a Young Offenders' Institution. Homophobia is a problem with Black Boys. Some of them who manage to use the term "gay" use it in an insulting way. They learn homophobia at their mother's knee. I know what I am talking about.
DeleteThe man wielding the machete in the picture above is every bit as bad as the thugs who knifed and murdered Stephen Lawrence and the thugs who knifed and murdered the late Phillip Lawrence outside his school in the 1990's.
The Black Lesbian writer, P.J. Samuels, was granted asylum by the Home Office because the Jamaican State would not protect her from her parents who who were intent on murdering her because she is Gay.
DeleteAnyone who claims that West Indian homophobia is not a problem needs to get their heads out of their backsides. The Caribbean culture is homophobic and most gays do not want to celebrate that culture. And that is nothing to do with racism or in coming from Knightsbridge or Chelsea.
I hope the Prison Officer above is putting these homophobic louts on report in the YOI where he works. Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate people. Disciplinary consequences should keep in check the bad attitude of these yobs towards Gay Men.If they want to be homophobic, there has to be a price to pay. Perhaps, HM Inspector of Prisons will address homophobia in male Prisons and YOI's.
DeleteBeing gay is illegal in over 70 countries and that's an international disgrace but you are attacking only the Caribbean. I've been to carnival with my partner and dressed up in costume with makeup and we've never had any problems.
DeleteI was queer bashed. I have worked with lots of Black people and been treated disgracefully at work. No, I am not a racist. I just tell it like its is. I am anti apartheid veteran too. Glad you enjoyed the carnival and had a good time.
DeletePS. When we talk about the "Carnival," we are talking about "Caribbean" culture, not the cultures of the many African and Arab countries that also criminalise homosexuals. I can assure you that I rail against all homophobic countries and all people who are homophobic. There is no point mentioning the execution of gay men in Justice Square in Iran when talking about Caribbean culture. The two things are separate in existence. I can assure that I have many Black friends, from both the Caribbean and Africa, who understand the point that I am making; some are gay, some are straight. I hope you and your lover never have to endure being queer bashed and told "This is what we do to the queers in Jamaica."
DeleteWhy has no Member of Parliament for Kensington or Leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council ever had the guts to tell it like it is about the Notting Hill Carnival?
ReplyDeleteThe Carnival has outgrown the streets of Notting Hill. Every year, we have more of the same:-
Residents having to board up their homes and leave for the weekend.
Residents with gardens having to remove the human excrement from their gardens when the celebration of Caribbean culture is over.
Businesses having to board up their shop fronts and leave for the weekend.
Knifes are brandished and used.
Police Officers being abused, assaulted, spat on and even sexually assaulted.
People are sometimes murdered at some annual Carnivals.
People requiring hospital treatment for life threatening injuries.
Carnival goers are unable to police this out of control event. A minority of carnival goers spoil it for the majority. Contrast that with some of the working class men who go to football and rugby matches and manage to keep some of the hooligan element in check at those events.
Anyone who attends Gay Pride to celebrate homosexuality and goes there looking for trouble is dealt with by other participants. The Police which are known for homophobic elements in its ranks do not dread policing Gay Pride. No one takes knives to Gay Pride.
Get things into perspective NIMBY. Shall we ban all outdoor public events unless they are mainly attended by posh white older people? Ask the council why they haven't provided adequate toilet facilities again and why there wasn't a proper guide supplied to all residents and businesses well in advance like previous years.
DeleteNo matter how many toilets are there, they still shit in people's gardens.
DeleteSounds like Dent Coad trying to atone for her racism at 11.07
DeleteHear, hear. If I am out and cannot find toilet facilities, I would not dream of shitting in someone's front garden. Why should this disgusting behaviour be condoned by 11.07 on 31st August because of it happens at Carnival?He would not like it if someone defecated on his doorstep or in his garden.
DeleteDefecating in someone's garden does not become acceptable because it is associated with Notting Hill Carnival. Why didn't the Carnival Organisers insist the Council provide enough toilets?
DeleteCats defecate in my garden.The cat is an animal. But carnival goers are not animals. Why did carnival revellers who needed to empty their bowels think it was alright to dump their excreta in someone's garden and put that householder to the expense of removing it. 11.07 take heed.
Thought it was EDC's Marxist thugs who defecate in people's gardens & post shit though letterboxes?
DeleteI heard that shit was posted through Councillor Linda Wade's letterbox at the last General Election.
DeleteFelicity Buchan has made clear she holds the Dame in total contempt and does not believe that the Dame will have any influence in voting at the General Election. That might be a very foolish assumption to make on her part. I remember well how Sir Malcolm Rifkind would toady up to the old thing inviting her to the House for tea.
ReplyDeleteFlicka get real. Emma Dent Coad knows that the Dame and her hornets can disseminate much criticism and do much damage in the run up to polling day.
DeleteDear Dame,
DeleteAre you seriously telling us that Felicity Buchan MP has not invited you to tea at the Commons? Standards have reached an all time low, my dear lady.
Did you join Sir Malcolm for tea and fancies at the House?
Tea, fancies and sympathy with Sir Malcolm, now there's a thought.
DeleteYes, the Dame loves nothing better than a traditional tea with colourful iced cakes, Jackson's Earl Gray tea and crab paste sandwiches
DeleteFelicity is a minister in His Majesty's Government. Far too important to waste time with an old biddy like the Dame talking about the Dame and her knitting patterns
DeleteSir Malcolm did invite the Dame for tea at the Commons but she declined. Dinner was what she wanted with a bottle or two of Cheval Blanc.
DeleteThe Dame is not for 'turning' with some cheap 'tea & Fancies'
DeleteI hear that the Dame is a crochet lady and not a knitter. Madame Lafarge sat at the guillotine with her tricot.
DeleteI don't think the very classy Emma Dent Coad of aristocratic descent would like to be associated with cheap tea and fancies in the Commons' Tea Rooms. Emma told us that Diane Abbott bought her a cream fancy as a pat on the back for racially abusing Baron Bailey of Paddington.
Chateau Cheval Black is a lovely wine, but rather pricey.
Did Emma Dent Coad invite the Dame to the Commons for dinner? I heart that she runs to a bottle of Blue Nun or Spanish Plonk.
The violent thugs at carnival are the products of inadequate socialisation and bad parenting: uncivilised barbarians who have not been brought up to behave in the way that society approves.
ReplyDeleteLoss of liberty is the only answer for knife carriers. Cosy chats with left wing probation officers about the posse culture do not work.
ReplyDeleteThese posses that Black Caribbean youths join are the problem. Diane Abbott MP said as much. She justified sending her son to Public School because "Once you lose a Black boy to a gang you have lost him forever." She did not want her boy in a Hackney posse.
DeleteDiane Abbott's son did eventually go off the rails through drugs despite going to Cambridge and becoming a Diplomat.
Not all Black parents have Diane Abbott's money. They are unable to afford changing the gangland culture for the Public School. We need Black parents to deal with these dysfunctional posses which lead Black boys to knives, other weapons and drugs.
All this talk of traditional Caribbean discipline (beatings, canings and violence) of youths is not working.
Well said, 17.49. Why should we celebrate the Caribbean "Posse" Culture. They are training schools for toxic masculinity - sexism, misogyny, violence, drug taking, drugs' dealing and homophobia. Do these young Black men who join the posse have fathers who approve of this behaviour. Black boys of African heritage do not tend to join the posse.
DeleteDiane Abbott MP is not homophobic. I dislike her as a person but I know for a fact that she is not homophobic. She has never confronted Caribbean homophobia and, she knows it is an issue. Why? Diane knows how corrosive these Black Posses are and did everything possible to keep her son out of the Hackney Posse by sending him to the City of London School for Boys.
DeleteI'm going to don a pair of ali baba pants, wear my baseball cap sideways & put a massive gold chain around my neck because the last time I heard the term "posse" used in popular culture was around the early '90s! Put down the Daily Mail and get out in the real world.
DeleteI read The Guardian and The Observer. I live in fear of the posse.
DeleteWhatever term you want to use to describe Black gangs of young men, there is no denying the homophobia endemic in them. Just listen to some of the lyrics in rap music - "death to queers" and "slap my bitch." The banning of such music is seen as effrontery to Caribbean culture.
DeleteCroydon Council came in for much criticism a few years ago because it refused to licence venues playing that type of music. Some Black People said the Council is racist - this is our (Black) music. Objections by "batty boys," so what.
Go to run down parts of
ReplyDeleteLiverpool or Middlesbrough & you'll see gangs of young knife wielding thugs who are mostly white. Going to blame that on black Caribbean men as well? There's more than a nasty racist stench of ignorance coming from a few of the
above commenters on this thread.
Isn't it time that RBKC residents were asked calmly and dispassionately, if they want Carnival to continue in the underprovided streets of North Kensington or moved to a more appropriate venue? This is not to be anti black or anti Carnival but rather to point out that the huge, 2 million strong, festival is now nothing like the brave street festival of 50 years ago. This was indeed a festival of West Indian culture which fought hard to become accepted and something in which all residents could take pride.
ReplyDeleteBut what we have today is a street festival neither focussed on the wishes and values of local People ( Black and White) nor really a show case for West Indian music and dance . What it has become is a street festival dominated by the very lucrative general music industry and an event to which those who make money from it pay little or nothing. Why should the local community pay for the policing and clean up for what is now a national event ? Why does anyone who asks that the national event be moved to Hyde Park and the streets of North Ken be reserved for the children's carnival and steel pan performances, expect to be drowned out in a torrent of abuse and accusations of racism ? Just asking .
Quite right. It is white middle class left wingers who accuse people who think carnival has outgrown the small streets of Notting Hill with knife crime, drug related offences, and other anti social acts of racism.
DeleteThe Black Lesbian writer, P.J. Samuels, was granted asylum by the Home Office because the Jamaican State would not protect her from her parents who who were intent on murdering her because she is Gay.
DeleteAnyone who claims that West Indian homophobia is not a problem needs to get their heads out of their backsides. The Caribbean culture is homophobic and most gays do not want to celebrate that culture. And that is nothing to do with racism or in coming from Knightsbridge or Chelsea.
Look at the crime figures for other outdoor public events then compare
Deletewith Notting Hill Carnival. Check the figures for the cost of policing, cleaning up etc then compare with the amount of money Carnival brings in. I do wonder why some of the people commenting still live in central London. If you want absolute peace and quiet 24/7 zero mess and zero crime then go and live in the outer Hebrides.
I do not recall anyone attending "another outdoor event" where any of the participants have shitted in someone else's garden like the many who have shitted in my garden at this and previous Carnivals. No one is entitled to shit in anyone else's garden. You are the one who needs to get a grip. We are entitled to live wherever we like and to have quiet enjoyment of our homes and gardens - minus the shit and those who do the shitting.
DeleteAnyone who craps in someone's garden has an unbelievable sense of entitlement.
DeleteThis idea that defecating in someone's garden can be condoned at a celebration of Black culture just because the Council has not provided adequate toilets is nonsense. I am not entitled to shit in the street at night when public conveniences are closed; never mind public loos hardly exist nowadays.
DeleteFelicity Buchan MP and Joe Powell would pick up many votes if they decided to back 21.06
ReplyDeleteI saw a video of a police woman hemmed in, by a young black man, against the railings of a house with a basement. The man was gyrating his hips very vigorously simulating the sexual intercourse. The police woman is entitled to do her job without someone thinking they can frighten her, objectify her and want to 'give her one.'
ReplyDeleteHow would that disgusting piece of filth like it if a man did that to his mother or sister or if a gay man treated him like that. Bad behaviour should not be downplayed because it happened at Carnival.
The police woman's dignity was violated by the man who "hemmed her in" and gyrated his hips; wanting to give her one. The police woman was born equal in dignity to the man who violated her.
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